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Re: a thought regarding Tano

Date: 2011-06-18 11:57 am (UTC)
pebblerocker: A worried orange dragon, holding an umbrella, gazes at the sky. (Default)
From: [personal profile] pebblerocker
This makes complete sense! Jago would feel absolutely no compunction about lying to Bren if it made things more convenient, about Tano's status or anything else -- but him being a not-yet-qualified assassin fits very well.

Are we told at some point that Tano is quite young-looking? It might just be the way I picture him, round-faced in contrast to Algini's angularity; I don't know if it's in the books somewhere or just what I made up.

Re: a thought regarding Tano

Date: 2011-06-18 04:18 pm (UTC)
cheyinka: An ateva riding a mecheita through the snow. (atevi)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
That's plausible, or perhaps on the other hand he's becoming re-licensed for "outside work", after spending time working inside the Guild?

Date: 2011-06-18 04:20 pm (UTC)
cheyinka: An ateva riding a mecheita through the snow. (atevi)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
Given what's about to happen to him in this book, and not very long from now if I remember correctly, I think later-Bren has a "well at least I'm not in a cellar with a broken arm" going for him :p

Date: 2011-06-18 04:19 pm (UTC)
cheyinka: An ateva riding a mecheita through the snow. (atevi)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
I really, really can't imagine a paidhi, even a more human-acting paidhi than Bren, being able to bring a wife. We don't even know that Tabini is married at this point; in fact except for the tourists, now, I don't think we ever see atevi paired off until we see Tabini with Damiri, and she might actually be the only spouse we ever meet. Huh. I mean, Cherryh explains that away, even this early, by saying that atevi spouses don't necessarily cohabitate, even if minor children are involved, but I guess it feels a little unsatisfying.

Apparently the idea of atevi having association with everyone is heretical because it used to be thought that naji (Chance, as opposed to Fortune) could flow through the deserving - presumably, someone with the psychological makeup of an aiji, who would feel no upward man'chi once an adult but would attract man'chi - like a lightning rod attracts lightning, maybe? Do we ever get an explanation of how Fortune and Chance (baji and naji) are different?

I had forgotten that "Babsidi" had a meaning! Lethal! Awesome. It makes me wonder whether Ilisidi's nickname of Sidi-ji has any meaning... :D

Date: 2011-06-19 02:48 am (UTC)
pebblerocker: A stern elderly alien woman. (Aiji-dowager)
From: [personal profile] pebblerocker
I had the impression of baji being more like good luck, and naji being chaotic, nobody can predict which side the numbers would come down on, anything could happen, sort of a thing.

The glossary in the back of my copy says Nokhada means "feisty" -- slightly more suitable for a weedy little novice to learn on than "lethal"!

Re: slight spoilers for later books?

Date: 2011-06-19 09:58 pm (UTC)
cheyinka: An ateva riding a mecheita through the snow. (atevi)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
My point was more that it's hard to tell whether it's a seven- to ten-year-old being indiscreet (everyone's thinking "hey, Shiri's kid is as tall or taller than the human!" because that's true, but nobody's saying it because that's rude), or a seven- to ten-year-old being purposefully rude (perhaps as a way of testing whether discretion applies to humans?).

And, of course, at this point I don't think we have any reason to suspect that the kid might be that young - ten at the lower end, not the higher, is what I was guessing before meeting Cajeiri!

Ilisidi implies that Cajeiri was on the later end of when a "normal" ateva starts feeling man'chi as something distinct from parental love, so I think it's not so much puberty-esque as I guess equivalent for humans wanting friends' approval in addition to / instead of parental approval, maybe? I am... ambivalent about whether I want to see Cajeiri going through puberty, tbh.

Spoilers for future chapters:

Date: 2011-06-20 01:04 am (UTC)
cheyinka: An ateva riding a mecheita through the snow. (atevi)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
The mysterious absences of security seem arranged, to me, but arranged by whom? Is it Tabini, trying to give his grandmother opportunity to act or not act, the way Banichi deliberately gave Cenedi the chance to kill him?

I like this train of thought! Suspiciously likely. (Although maybe it's just that Bren's security is having more trouble than anticipated, given the antiquity restrictions of Malguri... Having to fetch parts, for example, or set up things manually that they normally would have subordinates do?)

Alternately, maybe they've been arranged by Ilisidi's security: testing what they're up against, if they decide to make a move against Bren?



Oh, of course. It's got to be Ilisidi's security; they've already decided to make a move against Bren, but haven't yet decided what move or when.
Edited (formatting) Date: 2011-06-20 01:04 am (UTC)

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