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If you have discussion points for Chapters 5-6 you wish to bring up but which include spoilers, please post them here. Then link your comment in the general post, so those who want to avoid being spoiled can do so!

Date: 2011-06-14 04:11 pm (UTC)
cheyinka: An ateva riding a mecheita through the snow. (atevi)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
It seems a human really could inspire it, because one inspires it by succeeding, right? By making a grand gesture and having it work? So Bren, the most willing to "go native" so far except maybe for Ian, is the most likely to be able to inspire it - but then he won't feel it, he won't have the visceral reaction to seeing someone else have man'chi to him, and he won't have man'chi to anyone.

I concur that the quartet leaving Bren unaccompanied is really strange. Like I said on the non-spoiler post, there had to have been a way for a gentleman to accept an invitation that included his security, but Bren didn't know what it was, or know that it was expected that he do that - did he insult Banichi et al again by not including him in the acceptance?

Date: 2011-06-14 02:26 am (UTC)
spaceoperadiva: little jellical cat in a sink (Default)
From: [personal profile] spaceoperadiva
In retrospect, there are so many hints here, both that something "truly catastrophic" as Bren puts it, is going on, and exactly what 'Sidi is up to as well. It's all about the man'chi, isn't it? Though I never guessed even with the great foreshadowing sprinkled in from the very beginning what the "catastrophic" happening really was.

I loved: "Nadi Bren. I wish you'd consult before decisions."

Date: 2011-06-14 04:13 pm (UTC)
cheyinka: An ateva riding a mecheita through the snow. (atevi)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
Anyone who can both refrain from making a retort and from making a face that would say it without words is... much more disciplined than I am! Of course, we get hints that his relationship with Barb, even now, is strained by his having to stop being expressionless and stop phrasing everything carefully and perfectly once he's back on Mospheira...

the repeated WTF of this book:

Date: 2011-06-14 04:15 pm (UTC)
cheyinka: An ateva riding a mecheita through the snow. (atevi)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
Tano isn't licensed? How in the world is that possible, given what we know about him later? It *must* be either Jago lying (permissible, and possible), or a retcon (understandable), or there's a way to be an Assassin and not, you know, eligible to take contracts, or something. Don't we learn later that Tano and Algini's man'chi was to the Guildmaster first, Tabini second, and then was to the Guildmaster first, Bren second, and only much later was to Bren first?

Date: 2011-06-14 04:16 pm (UTC)
cheyinka: An ateva riding a mecheita through the snow. (atevi)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
Reading about bihawa (the aggressive impulse) really makes me wonder about the intruder in Bren's garden apartment. If a "bracing" tea that might have made an ateva a little queasy was a test, then I am left with the possibility that Tabini might have arranged a fright for Bren, too.

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